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Old 05-25-2008, 12:55 PM   #1
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Plant substrate?

What would be considered a Plant Friendly Substrate? Is fertilizer that you put in the substrate necessary? And What would be a good carpet plant?
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Old 05-25-2008, 01:31 PM   #2
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IMO any of the fracted clay substrates like flourite. There are some new pricey ones out there like Amizonium. Basically they have a high cec (cation exchange capacity), the ability to retain and transfer to roots necessary micro nutrients and iron. They are good for root development, and do not become dissolved yuck like a soil substrate would.

I do not put fert tabs in my substrate. I rely on water column dosing for ferts as I have much more control over what and why I am dosing. A substrate like fluorite will eventually begin to become richer as heterotrophic bacteria break down food and fish waste and convert it into usable compounds for the plants.

Most carpeting plants are high light plants. I would go to an online supplier and check out what is available and what you need to do to keep it alive. If you work at it, Hydrophyla difformis can be trained to be low growing and is a fairly easy beginner plant.

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Re: Plant substrate?

Can a plant be on top of a UGF?





not highjacking, Greg, just seemed like the right thread to ask.
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Dear Hijacker,

Most serious planted tank folks would say no.

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Re: Plant substrate?

Dear Clam: thank you for the information.




warning, warning.....thread Hijacker on the run. beware!!

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Re: Plant substrate?

ok I was gonna ask our dear Hijacker what a UGF was then it occured to me that it might be a undergravel filter or else a unidentified greedy freeloader ie hijacker. But since Jay mentioned Ferting in the water colum what ferts do you use for that? I am sure Greg is going to want to know (I would like to know as well) and what does the auto dosing in your sig refer to Jay as It sounds like it is plant related? As well as the injection misting?????? New planters what to know
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Re: Plant substrate?

I can't possibly get into the principals of limiting conditions, light, nutrient deficiency and algae etc. in one post so I will just touch on the answers to your question.

All of my tanks are heavily planted.

Submerged plants have the ability to take their nutrients including CO2 from the water column thru their leaves.

Some plants depend on both roots and leaves if they are heavy users...that is a good reason to use Flourite or whatever plant friendly substrate you want.

It is not the only way to dose nutrients, but Water column dosing is much easier to manage and control.

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Also a lengthy topic.

I use Potassium Nitrate (KNO3) for nitrate
Potassium Mono Phosphate (KH2PO4) for Phosphate
Potassium (K) comes from the KNO3 and KH2PO4
Seachem Comprehensive supplement for micro nutrients
I keep my GH in the 70ppm Calcium /30 ppm magnesium range
Chelated Iron Fe once a week
CO2 during lights on is about 35 ppm

All added to the water column. All of the nutrients are dry powder mixed with distilled water or come as a liquid.

I use small dosing pumps and electronic timers to add liquids as scheduled throughout the week before a large water change. That really helps with forgetting or did I dose that stuff yesterday

CO2 is another topic that needs to be carefully looked at.

CO2 misting is one method of injecting and making CO2 available to the plants. It requires pressurized equipment.

Very Simply the CO2 at 180 bpm is put through a diffuser.
I use a piece of chop stix, which breaks down the bubbles into very small bubbles. The very small bubbles are fed into the intake of a 1200 lph power head. The impeller smashes the bubbles into a mist which is blown into the tank water.

The theory being the leaves come into contact with the tiny bubbles of mist and uptake is more efficient. Works OK for me.


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Re: Plant substrate?

unidentified greedy freeloader?????? not me.

Jay? you fert in the water column? I dont think that is polite in public.
btw, your tank is beautiful.

After reading what I can understand, then reading Jays synopsis, I have changed by mind about planted for now. I'll reeval this winter.


Thanks everyone for answering questions and for the help to understand.. Good Luck everyone with tanks.
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