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Old 05-10-2008, 11:32 PM   #1
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big algae problem

hey guys. haven't been online in a while!
anywho, got a problem here. after i thought i had the algae under control, two or three weeks pass by and then a bloom just comes on of what appears to be hair-like algae. it's ALL OVER the tank, on the leaves of plants, filter intakes, just not on the glass...it looks like silvery/gray hair in clumps and patches. some are as long as .5"!
i've reduced my lighting from 8 hours + 1 hour in the early morning to a total of 6 continuous hours, nothing. i haven't added any more nutrients either. i have three snails, a clown loach, and HAD two algae eaters. yesterday one of them died suddenly. he looked perfectly healthy when i inspected him, so i dont know the cause of death, i'm just hoping it's not the algae?!

what type of algae is this? how can i treat it? am i going to have to do the blackout thing? will it work with this type of algae?

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Old 05-11-2008, 12:49 AM   #2
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Re: big algae problem

Are you sure your water parameters are all in order? The reason I ask is because of the fish suddenly dying. Check to make sure you don't have a really high amount of ammonia or nitrates...

I doubt reducing the light to 6 hrs will really fix your problem. You probably either have an excess of a nutrient or a deficiency in one.



Find out what type of algae you have for sure by looking up pictures of the different types on google, and then try using that chart. Sounds like you have either BBA or hair algae. I would lean more towards BBA since you said it's gray colored.

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Re: big algae problem

i tested the water yesterday and ammonia was 0ppm, nitrite 0ppm and pH was at 7.6, forgot to test for nitrates though!
i'll look into the algae id and get back here tomorrow...
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Re: big algae problem

Hey trojannemo... Good to see you again

I really do not think it is BBA, sounds too much like classic hair algae. In a well planted tank this stuff is usually induced by too much light and a nutrient problem. Take a hard look at your plants, are they robust and healthy, an outbreak of Hair algae in a well planted tank is often a sign of plant decline.

The quick fix. Vacuum the substrate thoroughly, dose NO3
do a 50% water change and then BLACK out the tank for 72 hours. Green Hair Algae is phototropic and has no way to store energy. It will all be dead in 72 hours.

After the 72 hours, another 50% water change, clean the filters and then...Make sure your dosing routine is correct and consistent and your CO2 or Excel is right on.

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Re: big algae problem

Hi.
Although this does sound like green hair algae it could be a stag horn algae by the colour you describe. Any chance of a picture?
You say you didn?t do anything different b4 this started and sounds like this is an on going problem you have.
Does this tend to start after you have done a gravel vac? The reason I ask is that ammonia has an affect on causing algae and also the death of fish. Even though you tested 0 it could have spiked and gone un-noticed.
Do you have c02? If you have diy c02 then a midday siesta may help but if you have injection then go with straight run lighting.




may be not as bad as in the picture but does it look anything like it?
Also does the tank get any light from the window. Direct or indirect?
Just one thing if you do a black out (BO) I would not clean the filter afterwards but leave foe a week b4 doing so. The tank is already unstable and in cleaning the filter you will make it more so by cleaning.
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Do you have c02? If you have diy c02 then a midday siesta may help but if you have injection then go with straight run lighting.
I'm sorry that does not make sense to me. Inconsistent CO2 in a planted tank can be a disaster.

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Just one thing if you do a black out (BO) I would not clean the filter afterwards but leave foe a week b4 doing so. The tank is already unstable and in cleaning the filter you will make it more so by cleaning.
Sorry I do not buy that...the bacteria necessary for a bio filter exist everywhere in the tank not just in the filter. The necessary thing here is to get the algae spores out of the tank.

trojannemo...a blackout, other than being a hassle, is not going to hurt you. It will also give you the opportunity to revisit your management and fert routines used to prevent future outbreaks.

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Re: big algae problem

algae problem continues


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hey man. been a while. i dont know if you remember my last algae thread, but my tank was basically being invaded by some hair-like, gray algae ALL OVER the plants and filters, rocks, etc, just not the gravel or the glass. first thing i did was to reduced my light time. it was originally set to 1.5 hours in the morning (when i woke up for school) and then 8 hours in the afternoon. then i reduced to just the 8 hours in the afternoon. nothing changed. so then down to 6 hours in the afternoon. when that didn't help, then i decided to finally try that blackout thing. so from sunday at 11am to today at a little after 12pm, that's over 73 hours of no light whatosever. i fed them beforehand, then covered them with a dark bed comforter and make sure to unplug the light from the timer (duh!). when i took it off, it seems some of the algae diminished but it didnt get rid of most of it. i'd say i still have 80% of the original algae left!
i did a big water change, scrubbed and cleaned my filters, removed a couple of plants that were dead or about to die, trimmed the rest, added the correct amount of LeafZone (i saw somewhere lack of nutrients could also boost algae growth?).
after having done the blackout and properly cleaning the tank, should i expect the algae to go away soon?
any other ideas as to what i can do?
my 3 snails, chinese algae eater and clown loach seem to not be doing much to get rid of the algae either
i'm frustrated!
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A picture would really help but I'm almost 100% sure this is a red algae if the blackout did not kill it.

Let's get the bad news on the table up front. BBA is induced in planted tanks by insufficient or inconsistent CO2 primarily and bottoming out of PO4 can exacerbate it.

Once established in the tank it is extremely difficult to get rid of. Chemical algaecides will begin to kill fish and plants before it kills the algae.

Your tank is well infected and you are beyond initial response strategies.

Here is what you are left with...extreme measures

You could start to over dose Seachem Excel daily for 10 days or so. That's twice the recommended dose every day. If after day five, the algae does not show stress by turning a lighter color, then go to 3x overdose. Be cautious and observe your fish, it is possible to kill some fish by doing this.

Start pruning every infected leaf out of the tank. The Excel overdose will hurt it and slow it down, but it will not wipe it out.

Bleach Dip... Your hearty substantial plants like swords, Anubis etc. will often withstand a dip in a bath of 19 parts water to one part bleach for 30 seconds. You need to immediately rinse them and then put them in a water bath containing 10x dechlorinator. NO ROOTS - JUST LEAVES.
That will kill BBA. Unfortunately some plants will not survive this.

Bottom line is you need to get it out of the tank. Your decorations can be dipped and all of your equipment can be sterilized as well.

Once you beat it back, you are going to need to be diligent with your pruning and preening until all of it is gone.

You will need to be sure your CO2 remains high, if you are not injecting, the Excel will be of benefit there.

I'm sorry we did not jump on this in the early stages, as you are in for a lot of work.

Let us know how it goes.

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