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Old 04-21-2008, 01:05 AM   #1
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Blackouts/algea boom


dosing potassium nitrate my nitrate spiked im not sure why i must have messed up my measurements but i had an algea boom so i did a blackout a week ago it cleared up most of the water but now the water is starting to go green again and my nitrates are still really high ie the 50 ppm range ive been doing large water changes 50% every 2 days its dropping my nitrates but slowly would another blackout harm the fish or plants??? or is there another way to get rid of the green water??

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Old 04-22-2008, 07:50 PM   #2
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Re: Blackouts/algea boom

No one has any insight at all??
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Old 04-23-2008, 10:53 AM   #3
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Re: Blackouts/algea boom

A second blackout IMO will probably not do any harm. The real problem is the green water will probably come back.

I am doubtful that high NO3 in a planted tank is going to cause you a serious problem. The problem is your green water will probably come back again.

In all probability what is happening is that you have a situation where the plants and algae are coexisting. This usually indicates that you do not have robust, healthy plant growth or sufficient plant mass to dominate the algae. I have preached over and over that when you start a "well planted tank" load it with cheap stem plants and establish a plant bio mass that will inhibit algae growth.

And as far as chemistry is concerned in a well planted high light tank. it is almost always the lack of a crucial nutrient that triggers an algae bloom not an abundance.

Let's deal a little with the concept of plants being dominant. How can they be if we have a water column full of nutrients algae love and lots of light to help the algae produce energy? I have seen "Tom Barr" a very respected plant researcher and guru use this example.

A group of Elephants (plants) and a group of mice (algae) in a confined space.

Both the Elephants and mice eat the same food. If the Elephants are under nourished, not feeling well and are lethargic then the mice are going to take advantage, multiply and feed. If the Elephants are healthy, well fed, and robust the mice are going to get out of the way, retreat, hide etc. This is the basic bio-dynamic that takes place in a well planted aquarium. The lesson...grow plants, fill their needs and the algae will diminish.

You need to think about this concept, everyone gets a little green algae on the glass, but if your PO4 bottoms out watch out. Also the consistency of your CO2 injection is crucial.

If you are having recurring green water you are missing something, take a step back and a hard look.

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Old 04-24-2008, 01:27 AM   #4
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Re: Blackouts/algea boom

thanks for the reply jay
water params
ammonia 0
nitrite 0
nitrate 50 ppm
GH 100
KH 60
ph 6.4 after co2
co2 is pressurized 32 ppm
PO4 2 ppm
iron .25-.5 ppm

i dont know what im too low on but i messed up my KNO3 measurements and it skyrocketed overnight and voila green water in the morning
i dont think the plant mass or health is the issue because it happened overnight and the tank is so densely planted 3/4 of the tank you cant see the back of the tank thru the plants.
all fish are accounted for so i know one isnt rotting in the back
my lights are 78 W T5HO on at 130 off at 930 on timer co2 is on at 1230 off at 9 on timer...........

i understand little bit of algae on glass but the water was so green on the small secotion of tank where i can normally see the back i couldnt any my tank is only a foot deep
its covered again so i guess when its done i just increase nutrients and wait???
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Re: Blackouts/algea boom

IMO I would not increase anything except perhaps CO2 a tad. How are you measuring CO2? Are you using Chuck's calculator to measure your KNO3 and KH2PO4?

I assume you are not over feeding.

Green Water is usually euglina, or euglina and some other phototropic critters thrown in. They get their energy from light and their food source is the same as the plants.

There are a number of mechanical fixes, UV, Diatom filters,
will clear them out in a few days. The easiest way is a 72 hour blackout. Because these critters cannot store energy like a plant, and need a consistent light source, a blackout will Kill them along with any other green algae in the tank.

There are specific steps to follow for a successful blackout, if you do not know them I will post them.

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Old 04-24-2008, 09:14 AM   #6
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Re: Blackouts/algea boom

to measure co2 i used the ph difference
yes im using chucks calculator

blackout- i did a large WC wrapped it up completely nothiing into tank for 3 days then unwrap and large WC
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well the blackout is over water is clear again
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