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Old 08-14-2007, 04:07 PM   #1
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Crash Course Nutrients and Algae 101

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Ok separately we have been acquiring our supplies, and doing some work on existing algae in the tank. We have also read the sidebar on Excel use.

We have also been discussing the following.

We are dealing, each of us with a high light, carbon supplemented tank, that has more than casual plantings.

We have each had our share of algae problems.

We know now that keeping our CO2 levels in the 25 - 30 ppm range in combination with a minimum of 1 ppm PO4 will stop the growth of BBA, and have a damaging effect on Hair Algae.

Our goal will be to develop for our individual tanks a dosing routine that will insure that none of the Macro Nutrients ever bottom out and that the micro nutrients and iron (if necessary) are always available to the plants.

There are other ways to do this besides the way I do it. My way however is beginner friendly, easy to follow, and allows us to build a consistent routine.
I also do not know everything and make mistakes just like everyone else

Our Goal is to grow Plants not Algae.

We need to keep in mind that algae and plants can co-exist in a tank, which is the situation most beginners find themselves in. The key is to allow the plants to become dominant and have the algae go dormant or retreat.

We are also going to add our nutrients to the water column and not to the substrate. If we have non plant friendly Substrate, we may want to seed it with some plant tabs.

Let's deal a little with the concept of plants being dominant. How can they be if we have a water column full of nutrients algae love and lots of light to help the algae produce energy? I have seen "Tom Barr" a very respected plant researcher and guru use this example.

A group of Elephants (plants) and a group of mice (algae) in a confined space.

Both the Elephants and mice eat the same food. If the Elephants are under nourished, not feeling well and are lethargic then the mice are going to take advantage, multiply and feed. If the Elephants are healthy, well fed, and robust the mice are going to get out of the way, retreat, hide etc. This is the basic bio-dynamic that takes place in a well planted aquarium. The lesson...grow plants, fill their needs and the algae will diminish.

Is this making sense?
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Re: Crash Course Nutrients and Algae 101

The elephant analogy was actually perfect for me.

I'm still with ya, I wish I was going through this with a more high-tech setup
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P-Daddy the principals here are going to work for 2 watts as well as 4 watts. As for CO2, there is really no reason for it under 2 watts of light.
You are using Excel to supplement carbon, so the only difference between your tank, my tank, or Roxiesmom's is how rapidly the plants are going to grow.

We will tweak the nutrients to fit your paramaters.

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So far, so good. I like the beginner's mode
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Re: Crash Course Nutrients and Algae 101

I have been in and out of town this week trouble shooting stuff. Where are we.

Roxiesmom is going to unveil her tank and set up a fert routine.
P-Daddy needs to set up a fert routine for a low light low tech.

What do we need to talk about?

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My mistake . Apparently I can't count... I can uncover & turn lights/CO2 back on today (Saturday) after 4pm. Which is in 1.5 hrs. That is my 72hrs. I'll run a parameter tests before lights come on, then 2 hrs after. I imagine I will slowly have to get the CO2 back up to 3bps so as not to stress my fish . I'm planning on doing a water change also, so I can clean out the dead BGA (yeah!!!) and such. Will test my tap water prior to doing that also. I purchased some different lights, What do you recommend for watts/gal in my planted tank? I'm going to have my husband rework the lighting set up. Right now it can take 8 lights, 4 to a ballast. And I think I only need 4. If I used 2 40W & 2 55W that would give me almost 3 watts/gal. Also, my newly purchased lights are around 9300K which will mean less yellow look to my tank if I studied correctly. But, will do whatever you say - Oh Wise One Super Moderator I'm just thinking outloud...
9300K is a good full bright white light (slightly blue)

3 watts per gallon is plenty. You may want to get into spiking 4wpg a few hours a day to simulate high noon. <- look at you, advanced technique

You need to do a 50% water change after the blackout.

Your CO2 needs to come up as fast as you can get it there during lights on and remain consistent day after day. If you are using a pH controller, take it off line. Rely on observing the fish and the plants. PH swings from CO2 injection will not harm your critters <- read that, use common sense, if the fish start to act goofy back off.

Dose with Excel <- (sidebar) after the water change.

When you get your parameters 2 hours after lights on today we need to start on a first draft fert routine.

After the big unwrap and for the next week you are going to need to prune, preen and trim all of the leaves affected with the BBA. Keep the CO2 cranking.

You may want to nip over to the lfs and get some cheap stem plants, to up your plant mass. They can come out later (elephants and mice).

Algae and micro flora growing on the glass is normal and most of the time cyclical. Scrape it off at water change, buy a handful of ottos.

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Re: Crash Course Nutrients and Algae 101

I have some hornwart in another tank that I can rinse and put in the 70. Now that my Vals are gone , I work on getting some more sent to me this week. Getting ready to do the 50% wc now. Have been gone this afternoon. Just got back about 1.5 hrs ago. CO2 is cranked! Will get 2 hr parameters around in about 45 minutes.
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I added a good sized clump of hornwort to my tank after I had an algae issue as well and from what I can tell it definitely upped the plant mass enough to keep algae controllable. So thats not a bad idea at all RoxiesMom

And Jay, no need to worry about being out of town, I appreciate you doing this and am willing to patiently adhere to your advice as it comes
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