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Old 11-09-2006, 04:36 PM   #1
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how to plant a tank right?

my community tank is my oldest tank i have set up it is a 30 gal. corner tank. it's been set up for over 2 years,i have always kept plants in it but they seem to die off slowly over time. i know now it is because i have plain gravel substrate, instead of something that is made for planted tanks. i have look around and familiarized myself with the options but I'm Leary of adding something to this tank and doing it wrong. is the best way to start from scratch or is there a way to add it without breaking down the tank? should i remove all existing gravel or mix it with the planted material? does the substrate need to "mature" or will it be ready to plant as soon as i put it in? so many questions I'm sure i didn't ask them all. any advice is openly welcome.

oh i don't have the smarts for and advanced planted tank with fish ,just a nice fish tank with plants is what I'm going for. i like the plants i have now but they are dying off, like i said, i want to keep them alive this time. plz help
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Old 11-10-2006, 07:45 AM   #2
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Hi ljhannah,

It is not necessarily the gravel that is killing off your plants, and unless you are going to plant heavily a specialized substrate in not really necessary. After 2 years, you must have a fairly mlum rich bed.

By gravel I'm going to assume you mean the size of the pieces are larger than sand but smaller than pebbles, and about three inches deep.

Plants can store food and nutrients, this is called luxury uptake. When you buy a plant that has come from a plant farm it is well fed and has stored a lot of nutrients. I have seen plants last for months before they begin to slowly decline over a few more months. By the time the time you notice the plant is not doing well it isn't, leaving you to wonder what went wrong.

You need to look into a few basic things which will improve your success with plants.

Light: Rule of thumb needs to be at 2 watts per gallon of white fluorescent. In your case 60 watts. At this minimum you should be able to grow most plants.

CO2: Plants are 60% carbon and need a reliable consistent source to do well. Carbon in the tank in the form of dissolved CO2 from the atmosphere is about 5 parts per million. Plants need much more than that to flourish.
Seachem makes a product called "Excel". It is dosed as a liquid and is adsorbed by the plant. Once adsorbed it breaks down as CO2 in the plant cells and the plant gets all the carbon it needs.

Food...

NPK: Nitrogen, Phosphate, Potassium are the three essential nutrients (plant food) plants need to flourish.

Nitrogen: comes from Nitrates in the water, which is achieved by letting your nitrate levels go up to say 10 - 15 ppm.

Phosphate: Read the label on your flake food can.

Potassium: a good lfs may have a product for this, I know Seachem has a three bottle kit for all of the above.

Look into these basics, read through the posts in the planted tank forum, and ask questions.

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Old 11-10-2006, 01:47 PM   #3
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well you were right my lighting is way to low only 15 watts, surprise the lil buggers lasted this long, off to the pet store for the plant food s and light hope this works it will be alot cheaper then replacing all the substrate(i hope) thks for help will let you know the out come.
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Old 11-21-2006, 01:49 PM   #4
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Well, while we have been down i got the plant food and excel, and the plants look great. their color is coming back , only problem seems to be that i can't fine a replacement bulb for my lighting system over 15 watts. I have the typical store set lighting system with one florescent bulb.The only thing i can see to do is replace the system with a duel system or a whole new lighting system. any thoughts? or help?
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you could try checking at a plant nursery that sells hydroponic lighting and such. that is where I got the lights for my 55 gal. planted and they work great.

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Check around online. It'll be hard to find a lighting system for a 30g corner, though. A pendant could work, or something from a non-aquarium specialty store.

Don't worry...the lighting industry has infinite ways to take your money.
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WOW ! Check some of NATURE AQUARIUM WORLD by Takashi Amano! This guy is the GOD of Plants. I love the Library! And I will never buy a book again as long as they find the book out of 1000`s of libraries and ship it to your local Library for free!!!!!
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