Babies!

sotvotkong · 07-21-2007, 01:26 AM

well i want to give most away, got a few friends that are going to take some, going to give some to te LFS for some food. Other than that long term i would really like to have a tank of all female convicts, as they have the most color. But who knows what will happen, i may just have them breed again and then get rid of em. one thing ive noticed is they dont breed with there other young still in the tank. If any1 else in the slc area wants some there free to have as many as they want. tho i wont give any to any1 to put in a 10g tank.

sotvotkong · 08-15-2007, 02:00 PM

well ive gotten rid of all but 10 babies and the parents. this may seem odd but i swear that they killed all the males early on...or something cause 99% of what i gave to the store witch was 65 fish, were all female, i also gave a friend alot of them for his heated pond he takes care of at a apartment complex 80 fishes. and there still alive 1 1/2 weeks later, he says they heat it and cover it in the winter so they may make it, either way theres hillstream loaches and plecos in there naturally, with goldfish and trout added from fishing. so i had about 160ish that were able to be raised in the tank with the parents and all the other fish the whole time. as to say they eat the babies or eggs is beyond me, mine only do it if they arnt gonna make it or conditions arnt good enough. My LFS wants me to breed discus, and im like i duno if i wana keep my only freshwater tank up after all that, rather just have only saltwater. Who knows i may even trade it in to get an uber setup on my saltwater tank.

Tbx · 08-15-2007, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by sotvotkong

well ive gotten rid of all but 10 babies and the parents. this may seem odd but i swear that they killed all the males early on...or something cause 99% of what i gave to the store witch was 65 fish, were all female, i also gave a friend alot of them for his heated pond he takes care of at a apartment complex 80 fishes. and there still alive 1 1/2 weeks later, he says they heat it and cover it in the winter so they may make it, either way theres hillstream loaches and plecos in there naturally, with goldfish and trout added from fishing. so i had about 160ish that were able to be raised in the tank with the parents and all the other fish the whole time. as to say they eat the babies or eggs is beyond me, mine only do it if they arnt gonna make it or conditions arnt good enough. My LFS wants me to breed discus, and im like i duno if i wana keep my only freshwater tank up after all that, rather just have only saltwater. Who knows i may even trade it in to get an uber setup on my saltwater tank.

Discus is where the money is at You can sell even the young ones for $14.00 a piece and they have at least 50 babies so that is $70.00 just for young ones and the breed every 2-3 weeks so If you get 8+ tanks of them setup you could make fairly good money.

pappyy3 · 08-15-2007, 08:14 PM

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you should do what i do then, breed them give them to friends who want them and then trade the rest to the fish store for dry foods and chems. im a cheap bastard and hate paying for anything so this is a way to keep costs down. because yea they breed like every 2 months for me.

This is a good suggestion and a great way to help with your fish-keeping expenses.

I would suggest that you only keep the best babies. Cull any fish that seem stunted or have deformities of any kind. That way, you will raise quality fish (Which helps greatly when your offering them to your LFS).

Despite being extremely common, these fish are regarded as "bread and butter" fishes by LF's and there's a market for them - especially amongst beginners. If you offer the LFS your BEST babies, I'm sure they will be happy to take them

They may give you some money (Generally 1/3 of retail value), or most probably will offer store credit (1/2 of retail value).

Well done on the breeding. I know these are not the most exotic of fishes, but they're a lot of fun to keep - and breeding success is ALMOST guaranteed!

Tbx · 08-15-2007, 10:42 PM

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Cull any fish that seem stunted or have deformities of any kind.

I Am Higly against that I had a deformed oscar that was wonder full.

pappyy3 · 08-16-2007, 07:39 PM

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I Am Higly against that I had a deformed oscar that was wonder full.

TBX - everyone has their own opinion. I think it's ok if you're going to keep a fish with some deformities as a pet.

BUT, if you are going to breed them then Definitely CULL.

Tbx · 08-17-2007, 03:41 PM

Technically parrot fish are a deformity but tons of people love them and are willing to pay $20.00+ for the fish If the deformity is sever and they cannot continue a normal life than you should cull them but if it is something small like a slightly rounded face or something you should just let it be.

pappyy3 · 08-18-2007, 04:22 AM

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Technically parrot fish are a deformity but tons of people love them and are willing to pay $20.00+ for the fish If the deformity is sever and they cannot continue a normal life than you should cull them but if it is something small like a slightly rounded face or something you should just let it be.

TBX, I think you need to be more concise when referring to parrot cichlids and clarify which fish you are referring to as many people won't know, so could be misleading.

It's only people that are interested in BIZZARE fish that are willing to pay for them. In many instances they are mis-informed about the origin of these fish, and they end up being returned to the LFS or thrown into local waterways!

There are two kinds of cichlids called parrot cichlids. Hoplarchus psittacus is a large green cichlid which is found in the Amazon River and gets its name from a large parrot-like mouth. It's a big fish at over 12 inches in length.This fish is NOT a deformity and occurs naturally in the wild.

The fish you are referring to I think (??) is sold as the red parrot cichlid (also now available in many other colors) - and yes, they are common and very popular in pet stores.

Just to Clarify - These fish are NOT a deformity. They are a "Man Made" ** hybrid ** fish.

I have also attached a link to an article which shows the hobby's attitude to any type of hybrid fish (Of course with the exception of those who are profiting from these un-natural looking fish):
http://malawicichlids.com/mw01013.htm

Tbx · 08-18-2007, 07:03 PM

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TBX, I think you need to be more concise when referring to parrot cichlids and clarify which fish you are referring to as many people won't know, so could be misleading.

It's only people that are interested in BIZZARE fish that are willing to pay for them. In many instances they are mis-informed about the origin of these fish, and they end up being returned to the LFS or thrown into local waterways!

There are two kinds of cichlids called parrot cichlids. Hoplarchus psittacus is a large green cichlid which is found in the Amazon River and gets its name from a large parrot-like mouth. It's a big fish at over 12 inches in length.This fish is NOT a deformity and occurs naturally in the wild.

The fish you are referring to I think (??) is sold as the red parrot cichlid (also now available in many other colors) - and yes, they are common and very popular in pet stores.

Just to Clarify - These fish are NOT a deformity. They are a "Man Made" ** hybrid ** fish.

I have also attached a link to an article which shows the hobby's attitude to any type of hybrid fish (Of course with the exception of those who are profiting from these un-natural looking fish):
http://malawicichlids.com/mw01013.htm

Ok but I think you know what I am talking about the blood parrots half severum half red devil there is that enough for you and I know many people how keep them there whole lives They are man made but culling is also a man made practice if you are against hybridization then you should be against any form of interference from man This is my last post on this thread I am tiered of arguing I was just stating my opinion on culling I was not trying to get breeders not to cull and raised deformed fish I was just saying what I believe. I can see you are trying to find any way to disprove or neutralize my statements There is another thread here where I went far in to detail on parrot fish so that stuff you are trying to show me is nothing new to me.