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Old 04-30-2007, 06:21 PM   #1
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PLEASE Help my dying fish

I can't figure out what's going on but my new fish are all dying!

So yea, i found the dead clear ghost catfish after I got home from work today and a Glofish that seems like he's about to kick the bucket.

I added the suggested amount of stress zyme when setting up the tank so i don't think that chlorination could be the issue.

At this moment one of the larger GloFish is floating near the surface with his mouth agape and everynow and again he'll sink to the bottom and just kinda lay motionless on the gravel and then snap out of it. He doesn't seem well.

Might the water temperature be too cold? I don't currently have a heater in the tank and the guy at the store (Petco) said it shouldn't be necessary for this time of year (Spring time in NYC).

Yes. well, if anyone would like any more information about the tank and/or fish i'd be happy to supply it. I'd really like to save that sluggish glofish and all of the others.

Any advice is greatly apprecaited!

p.s. there's also a top and two lights in it.

p.p.s the clear ghost catfish don't seem to be eating the tetramin tropical flakes that the guy at the store told me to feed them. should i be feeding them something else?



How long the tank has been running for (6 days)
? Tank size and/or dimensions (10 Gallon rectangle)
? Water Parameters such as: (Unsure)
-Ammonia levels
-NitrIte Levels
-NitrAte Levels
-pH
-Gh
-Kh
-Temp
? How long the tank has been running for (6 days)
? Type of filtration you are using (Aquaclear 20)
? Any other mechanicals or items you are using (e.g. pumps, heaters, etc?) (nope)
? Number of fish you are keeping (8)
? Type of Fish you are keeping (Clear Ghost catfish, Glofish)
? Sizes of the fish you are keeping (1 inch to 1.5 inches)
? Events leading up to your issue (none)
? Future plans for the tank
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Old 04-30-2007, 07:11 PM   #2
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Re: PLEASE Help my dying fish

Read Tommy Guns post on information needed to help you with your problem. I bought a 65 gallon tank last January, and this is an eco-system which takes time and patience to develop. First step is test your water, there are test strips you can buy and dip into the water that will identify Nitirtes, Nitrates, water hardness, PH and acidity. Nitrites and nitrates are base on waste in the water. This tanks ecosystem has to cycle/grow bacateria. I added a product called cycle to start my tank, it introduces good bacateria to the tank, and water changes are going to be part of your maintaining your tank, which you can do when you vacume the gravel. I have a heater, and maintain the water temp based on the thermometer, and the safe range indicated. The trick is to add fish gardually until you cycle your tank. You could start out with a few gold fish/ I bought two Dwarf Garamies, and they seem pretty hardie, while your tank cycles. The trick is patience, good luck.
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Old 04-30-2007, 07:33 PM   #3
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Re: PLEASE Help my dying fish

Hi Rono,

thanks for the advice. I think you're right. I got a bit ahead of myself and put the fish in the tank before i tested the water. I think my next step will have to be testing the water and ascertaining what's wrong.

I was hoping that it'd be a simple thing i could do to fix the tank but it seems as though my efforts were in vain. Red GloFish#1 passed away this evening at at 8:33 pm. RIP.

Tomorrow morning i'll buy some tests and solve this mystery!
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Old 04-30-2007, 08:53 PM   #4
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Re: PLEASE Help my dying fish

seems like you didnt cycle your tank, if its only been running for 6 days .. search through some posts by BJP to find the fastest ways to cycle your tank ..
cycling is just basically putting the "good guy" bacteria in your tank .. your fish give out ammonia .. ammonia is toxic to fish .. and the good guy bacteria turns ammonia into nitrItes, and nitrItes into nitrAtes .. you want nitrAtes somewhere between 15-25 ppm for your tank .. seems like the fish that have passed away were just the weakest ones and got affected first
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Old 05-01-2007, 02:10 AM   #5
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Re: PLEASE Help my dying fish

I have one of those small under rock heaters for sale. Its not really strong but it will raise the temperature about 3 degrees. If you want it PM me for pics and info.
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Old 05-01-2007, 06:25 PM   #6
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Re: PLEASE Help my dying fish

Stresszyme is not a dechlorinater. If you have chlorine or chloramines the first step is to get an actual dechlorinater. I use the simple one drop to the gallon types without all the extras myself.
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Old 05-14-2007, 10:32 PM   #7
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much thanks for all of your helpful advice!

week 3 and all is well... or is it?!

there are now a bunch (5) of snails all over the place. i read before that clown loaches eat snails but i don't like how they look; i much prefer catfish. does anyone know if there's a type of catfish that eats snails?

also, do i really need to be concerned about all these snails?

thanks again!
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Old 05-15-2007, 03:23 AM   #8
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Re: PLEASE Help my dying fish

you should definately get a test kit, it will let you "see" whats in your water
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Re: PLEASE Help my dying fish

I don't know of any catfish that will take care of snails per say....some fish will, other than the loaches, although there are more species of loach than just clown loaches so take a look at others to see if any are more suited to your tastes. HERE is a page full of different loaches...they are probably the best bet as far as snail control fish go. There are others as well but....

I suggest trying to stay away from buying fish just for their ability to maintain your tank for you....even when it comes to algae for most of us. Snails are definitely an issue, and can overtake a tank in short order, but there are other options too. Even though this may be a slower method, you could try a snail trap. In short, you can use a clean glass jar with a relatively small opening.....one good example I saw recently was a clear salt shaker, without the top on it and of course, without the salt in it. You can 'bait' the trap with some veggies like lettuce or cucumber by placing it in the tank at night time, and sink it into your substrate so that the opening is about half covered. Then, just before you turn the lights on in the morning, you simply take the trap out, clean out any snails that may be inside, and repeat until things are back under control. Like I said, this is a slow method, and may actually take some time before the snails even realize that it is there, but it is a proven method and I know of a few people who have found success with it.

You can also simply remove the snails as you see them....some even suggest smashing them with your finger, however, there are a few types which have relatively strong and sharp shells which can cut your finger if you are not careful.

The best advice I can give you as far as a sure fire way to get rid of snails is to go with the loaches and then return them to the LFS when they have helped you out. The catch-22 with loaches is that keeping one of them may not do the trick since they are schoaling fish. I have heard quite a few stories about how a hobbyist was able to rid a tank of snails with one loach, but I have also heard an equal number of situations in which one loach proved to be nothing more than reclusive and never left its hiding spot. I know this is not your best option because of your fondness for catfish, but it is still an option.

Above all else, I want to caution you on using some chemicals since they can also harm your fish or other inverts, if any. I am sure that other members will have more and better advice than I can give right now, so keep checking in. It sounds like you have learned the same lessons many, if not most, of us went through with our first tanks, and agree that a test kit and regular testing will really improve your chances of success. There are a ton of great articles on this forum which can help get you started off on a better foot and avoid the problems you have recently encountered.

By the way, welcome to the forum! I hope that you can find all the information, and more, that you need to realize all of your aquatic desires!
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Old 05-16-2007, 12:18 AM   #10
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Re: PLEASE Help my dying fish

Birdflue,
If you don't have a test kit you can take a small amount of your water an aquarium store to get tested. If your fish are that bad off I would do a water change right down to what I call an inch of their lives or very near to it. Maybe two or three inches will be okay. Then for every 10 litres of water put back in put a quarter teaspoon of water conditioner and a quarter of a tsp. of Cycle or Stress Zyme. ( I use Stress Zyme) You can keep changing the water until your fish have shown an improvement. Doing water changes when your fish dye quickly like that is the best tool a fish keeper has to keeping live fish. The ammonia was probably too high which is toxic to fish unless your ph is at about 6.8 or less, Another way to keep the fish alive and free of illness is to lower your ph.I am not too sure about the types of fish you are keeping so I would make sure that your fish don't mind a lower ph first. Anyway, water changes are great and don't forget when you change the water don't clean the filter. Wait twice a month and then clean the filter. When everyone is healthy and happy and there is no algae build up then you can do a small water change once every two weeks alternating the cleaning of the filter.Good Luck.
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