Small Red Cap is clamped and hiding. - Page 2

Sarah84 · 04-15-2007, 11:16 PM

I could be wrong, but you moved the 29 gal to a 55 gal right? If so, You could be into a mini-cycle.. do lots of water changes, and watch the water parameters. However, if im wrong with ur situation.. do keep in mind the fish could have come with some sort of illness.. Hope the rest of your lil fish survive

Sarah

BJP · 04-16-2007, 08:08 AM

It's not the tank or anything you did or didn't do. It's running through the orandas and moors this year. It's been hitting mine around week 3 with almost identical sounding symptoms. They look great up until that point. In my first batch it hit two of the four but scattered over a two week period. I lost half that batch. The two survivors are doing great. I lost all 3 of the next batch.

For now I'm thinking a full month of quarantine is about the minnimum to keep from cross contaminating the healthy ones. I may push it longer to a month and a half. I've got two coming up on week 3 right now so I'm expecting the problem to start showing next week if it repeats.

Robbw · 04-16-2007, 10:10 AM

Thanks folks. I appreciate it. I'm in day 3 of a 7 day regimen of quick cure. Hopefully, that will help.

Sarah, you're right that I did that tank change. Truthfully, it's been suggested that the Jungle "First Aid" that I used may have harmed the bio filter because I was getting Nitrite readings for the first time a couple days into that treatment. But the original sick moor seemed to lose the Ich spots and it's damaged tail seems to be healing.

One other strange thing I've noticed is that I've got a lot of particles in the water. They look like small white pieces of fiber. No idea where they are coming from but I've been filling my water cans from my lawn hydrant outside. Wonder if this is contamination coming from that.

Since I've been using quick cure for three days now, my charcoal filter media has been out. On my filters, the charcoal is combined with a particle filter pad. I took a new one that fits the Penguin 200, cut it and dumped out the charcoal. Rinsed it and now it's in the filter, hopefully to alleviate the problem.

I also notice long silky strands that I think might be waste from one of the moors. Hope that's not a bacterial thing.

BJP · 04-16-2007, 11:39 AM

If the waste isn't breaking off cleanly then that's a sign of something going on internally. Maybe parasites or digestive issues.

As for the nitrite spike, it's a pretty good sign to me that when a company that in the last 15 years has never called for the usage of a bacterial innoculent after a medication treatment, suddenly requests it after introducing a new product, when to my knowledge they don't even offer a bacterial suppliment for sale, that it's probably needed and the medication may have affected the bacteria bed.

Hospital/ quarantine tanks and patience can save a lot of headaches down the road. I don't believe the loses or current symptoms have any direct correlation to the small nitrite spike though. I believe you're dealing with preexistting internal issues. I doubt quickcure will help with those either but as always, once you've started down a medication path you need to see it through. You should be able to offer some internal med soaked into the foods at the same time since it wouldn't be directly treating the water and interacting with the current meds.

Robbw · 04-16-2007, 11:46 AM

Note. The particles in the water are not from the lawn hydrant. I checked a glass container from the hydrant. Also, the use of the foam only filter in the Penguin has quickly eliminated most of those particles.

After you commented that Jungle is now recommending bacterial inocculent, I checked their web site. I noticed that it said to use a dechorinator and a bacteria enzyme product. Didn't see that on the instructions. Never did that. Since it's been a week, probably no need to worry about chlorine now.

Also, what medicated foods would help with internal issues like this?

BJP · 04-16-2007, 12:08 PM

http://www.fishtankforums.com/5-fres...-new-post.html

I hope you don't mind but I've been typing basically the same info in 3 different threads this morning so to save a little time I thought I'd just post a link to one of the other discussions that I just went through the answer to that in a few minutes ago.

Robbw · 04-16-2007, 04:17 PM

Well...the third small one, goldie looks to be on the way out. Sort of drifting with the various little currents from filters and airstone. Didn't eat. Opening and closing it's mouth rapidly. Doesn't seem like anything I can do to stop what's going through this tank. This keeps up, I won't have any fish living by the end of the week.

Robbw · 04-17-2007, 07:52 AM

Lost little goldie. Now one of the big moors is showing the same symptoms and has scale loss and its tail is more opaque. The treatment regimen is not working.

I just did a 20 percent water change, gave the sick moor a salt bath, administered tetracycline gel directly to it, am running the carbon in the filter for an hour to improve general water quality, and then I'm going to add MelaFix.

The way things are going, this can't hurt. It's my last ditch effort since everything is dying and nothing else is working.

Noone sells medicated food locally either.

BJP · 04-17-2007, 07:57 AM

The Aquatronics line was offered in little capsuls you open and mix with your own food of preference. There may be another brand similar or maybe you could aquire some directly from a vet.

Tetra used to offer two medicatted foods but I've never used them myself and can't remember the ingredients.

I tried a combination of Melafix and Pimafix on two of my loses but they died so quickly it didn't have time to accomplish anything.

Robbw · 04-17-2007, 09:37 AM

I'm going to call around. Not sure if I should be looking for an anti parasitic or an anti biotic. Don't have a working crystal ball.